tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753536.post4785878166941316131..comments2024-02-15T05:22:23.113-05:00Comments on JimBobby Sez: Cons and Dippers: Suzuki Tells 'emJimBobbyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04603665575714484326noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753536.post-80329271720536088722008-05-20T01:39:00.000-04:002008-05-20T01:39:00.000-04:00I think that provided the carbon tax system provid...I think that provided the carbon tax system provides credits for low income and rural people, it's a great idea.Stephen Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15645889989231723542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753536.post-669394779651009812008-05-19T11:37:00.000-04:002008-05-19T11:37:00.000-04:00"If we want to do nothing, all we need to do is po..."If we want to do nothing, all we need to do is point out the flaws in proposed possible partial solutions..."<BR/><BR/>Exactly. This is not the time and issue to be so partisan. Layton's comment about it not being fair to pay more tax to heat your house sounded just like Harper. Does Layton want people to think about pollution and resources or not? The NDP needs to wake up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753536.post-68538127961616544102008-05-19T09:23:00.000-04:002008-05-19T09:23:00.000-04:00Thanks for the comments. That's a good article, Mu...Thanks for the comments. That's a good article, Mushroom. Thanks for the link.<BR/><BR/>These two solutions may not be the only choices. If we look at them as mutually exclusive, though, we fail to capitalize on what we already know to help. <BR/><BR/>If we want to do nothing, all we need to do is point out the flaws in proposed possible partial solutions while we keep studying, studying, studying and looking for the one and only perfect solution. <BR/><BR/>JBJimBobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603665575714484326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753536.post-68623209832044677882008-05-18T21:00:00.000-04:002008-05-18T21:00:00.000-04:00"It means it must purchase credits from some clean..."It means it must purchase credits from some clean industry. If there are enough clean industries, the dirty ones will find credits for sale, right?"<BR/><BR/>And, when you have certain industries, which just happen to be the biggest polluters, absolutely AWASH in profits, where is the incentive if they merely have to scrape some of the BLACK off the top.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753536.post-58384957202492148752008-05-18T19:57:00.000-04:002008-05-18T19:57:00.000-04:00My problem is that these two options are presented...My problem is that these two options are presented as if they are the only option. Isn't there another way that could ensure strict penalties while protecting lower income people as well?Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01498883352676519800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753536.post-9028799652228077642008-05-18T18:12:00.000-04:002008-05-18T18:12:00.000-04:00JB,I have posted this on Steve Farnwide's site. T...JB,<BR/><BR/>I have posted this on Steve Farnwide's site. This may represent a compromise between a carbon tax and the cap and trade. In fact, Durning says it is almost the same thing<BR/><BR/>http://daily.sightline.org/daily_score/archive/2008/05/14/carbon-cap-or-tax-bothAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753536.post-7933748524048407532008-05-18T17:22:00.000-04:002008-05-18T17:22:00.000-04:00I ain't against cap and trade carbon market. It ca...I ain't against cap and trade carbon market. It can and does exist simultaneously with carbon taxes in some European countries. Both mechanisms will do some good, environmentally and one does not preclude the other. <BR/><BR/>Both systems can be characterized as licenses to pollute. Capping does not mean an industry shuts down if it goes over it's limit. It means it must purchase credits from some clean industry. If there are enough clean industries, the dirty ones will find credits for sale, right?<BR/><BR/>Taxing stuff to get usage reduced is possibly less effective than cap-and-trade, I'll defer to you on that. Taxing is a powerful tool and one with which the federal government has some experience as well as some authority. Creating new market mechanisms is something that has been done by government but I posit that they are less adept at such things than at applying and collecting taxes.<BR/><BR/>JBJimBobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603665575714484326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10753536.post-24363384792149062482008-05-18T16:45:00.000-04:002008-05-18T16:45:00.000-04:00"The Dips oppose this idea because the Grits propo..."The Dips oppose this idea because the Grits proposed it, pure an' simple."<BR/><BR/>Nonsense. Utter nonsense.<BR/><BR/>Despite your tinfoil hat conspiracy theorizing the facts are clear: the NDP has opposed a carbon tax--and supported a cap and trade system instead--since long before the Liberals were in favour of either. Your assertion is, therefore, provably false. The NDP “oppose[d] this idea” long before “the Grits proposed it”--negating the possibility that the Liberals’ support was the reason for the Dippers’ opposition.<BR/><BR/>A carbon tax is simply an inferior policy.<BR/><BR/>The only inherent difference between a carbon tax and a carbon market is that a carbon tax fixes the price of emissions and allows the quantity to float (i.e. be determined by the market), while a carbon market fixes the quantity of emissions and allows the price to float.<BR/><BR/>Read that again: the only inherent difference between a carbon tax and a carbon market is that a carbon tax fixes the price of emissions and allows the quantity to float (i.e. be determined by the market), while a carbon market fixes the quantity of emissions and allows the price to float.<BR/><BR/>There are two big advantages to a carbon market. First, a carbon market guarantees results because the government sets the overall cap on emissions--a carbon tax has to be continually adjusted until the desired level of emissions is reached. Second, under a carbon market system the government can adopt a mixed grant and auction system for distributing emission credits; that way, while the same emissions level is achieved, the impact on industry and consumers is reduced.RayKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05849043290404443300noreply@blogger.com